It's been a love-hate relationship with these. HATE: First, I thought: "why do they have to be so stretchy? They feel kind of baggy". LOVE: But then I had them hiking and climbing and the stretch made for a lot of comfort. HATE: After just a couple months of babying them through the wash cycles, I've already noticed quite a bit of pilling LOVE: Standing back a bit and looking beyond the pilling, the pants still look great.