these are good crack gloves but I found that they fall apart very quickly. They protect every part of your hand while trad climbing and stay in place. I live and climb in leavenworth, WA on granite and one season shredded the leather near where they connect around your wrist. I would like to see OR use thicker leather which would increase the life of these gloves. Second the sizing is weird. I am a large in everything from jackets to gloves and the s/m is what fit me best. I would be psyched to get another pair of these if OR addressed these two pieces. For know I would recommend putting the gloves on then wrapping your wrist with tape to protect the closure system and increases the life of these gloves.